Saturday, October 06, 2007

The voice of the confused and politically unsavvy

I just saw a fairly long clipping of a Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto interview on TV. It was my first time ever seeing him in an interview scenario, my only previous visual exposure to him being his oft played fiery speech in the UN on the Kashmir issue and the melodramatic 'laro gae/larayn gae---maro gae/marayn gae' address to a huge political rally. The man had the charisma of a movie star, no wonder he held a whole nation in thrall, how depressing that it was all for naught and to the very same end as to all the others who also look just as evil as they are inside (think Zia-ul-Haq and Asif Zardari).

Musharraf may not exactly be as charismatic as Bhutto but in his initial days he too captured a lot of people's imagination and as the foregone conclusion to today's elections was announced i was hit with a strong sense of dejavu. Shades of not Bhutto but Zia-ul-Haq's sham referendum and Musharraf's own a few years back. What kind of 'election' is this that took place today? Another 5 years for Musharraf? What exactly do I feel about it.

I think of what he said about Pakistani women claiming foul rape because they want Canadian nationalities, putting Mukhtaraan Mai on the Exit Control List, the recent beating up of lawyers and journalists, the botching up of the Laal Masjid scenario and the total and free reign that America has been allowed in the internal affairs of Pakistan under his rule. There is also the CJ removal and the state sanctioned 12th May violence in Karachi, the attacks on Geo and Aaj TV and his ever increasing strong arm tactics in trying to cling to power. There is of course also the small matter of his being the army chief and in no way a politically elected representative of the people yet set to rule Pakistan for even longer than the seemingly interminable 11 years of Zia-ul-Haq.

Many people around me are talking increasingly about voting for Imran Khan (although I am still not sure what kind of vote bank he has across the country) but the idea of a born again Muslim with a deadly mixture of Pathan chauvinism scares me even more than one who at least proclaims 'enlightened moderation'.

To me the only way for Pakistan to move forward is to take strides in a secular direction but Musharraf's vision in this regard has not become clear in any way in nearly a decade of rule. He has chosen political allies on the basis of sticking to power not on any ideological grounds, for how else can a bosom relationship with the likes of the Chaudries and Sheikh Rasheed possibly be explained or the present wheeling dealing with one of the two leaders he avowed to be his sworn enemies.

For my kind of ideology the PPP seems to be the only choice, the one party in the country with a 'left wing' leaning, yet the sheer corruption and hysteria of its leader with cases of financial embezzlement that can be stacked up to the moon and a demeanour reminiscent of a schizophrenic I cannot even fathom voting that way.

So what does an atypical 30 year old Pakistani woman with an active interest in bringing about change and hoping for a better Pakistan do? There don't seem to be any options. Street or media protest for what? Looking towards whom? I find myself slowly sliding into the abyss of apolitical apathetic-ness that I have railed against amongst peers for so long.

So lemme go to the Mall and inject myself into a lull with the pleasures Capitalism has to offer in a country ruled by monarchy and the unabashed worship of money. So much for socialism, secularism and activism.

25 comments:

Omair said...

The Question I fail to understand is why seemingly intelligent people would refrain from voting for Imran Khan because of his religious views! Wasn’t this religious revitalization that gave Pakistan the cancer hospital and university in one of the poorest district of Pakistan?

Second I do not understand how Secularism will help Pakistan. Is it the lets blame the Mullah for all the ills of the country mentality; even though people who have caused more harm to Pakistan do not even come close to religion (BB, Nawaz, Musharraf, etc.).

How exactly is secularism going to save Pakistan? How is it going to end poverty, the spiraling Inflation, the rampant corruption, and the lawlessness?

Hey I am just trying to understand cause this Pakistani male knows exactly who to vote for :).

Omair

xill-e-ilahi said...

what i don't understand is why seemingly intelligent people would even contemplate voting for imran khan given his religious views and the political allies he likes to make. he is practically the face of a clean-shaved jamaat-e-islami. and it would be very naive to say that the mullahs (or apparent non-mullahs with mullah philosophies) aren't at least partly responsible for the mess in pakistan. sure payjee botched up lal masjid and waziristan - but there was already a problem there. and frankly, i pretty much support the military operations against these extremist/jihadist/terrorists over any political reconciliation the opposition parties like to talk about. if you see a cockroach you kill it. you don't ask it to go away. even though the collateral damage is worrying.

on the flip side, the general's inner chauvinist (which becomes very apparent when he talks about rape vistims like they were corrupt thieves) is enough for me to wish him dead. but as sabi so rightly pointed out, there is virtually no one any sane voter can support. and in this case i guess conisistency has to be the lesser eveil.

Zakintosh said...

the answer lies in the word you yourselves have both used in the opening statements: "seemingly".

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good post, sabizak. i hope it leads to a fiery discussion on- and off-line.

we now know for a fact, with this ordinance and it's predictable aftermath that "demockeracy" is alive and well in pakistan.

Omair said...

@xill-e-ilahi:

I can just see the concern for the people of Pakistan flowing from you.

You wrote:
, i pretty much support the military operations against these extremist/jihadist/terrorists over any political reconciliation the opposition parties like to talk about. if you see a cockroach you kill it. you don't ask it to go away. even though the collateral damage is worrying.

In other words you will use force to kill/murder/slaughter people who do not agree with your ideology/philosophy/system of government. The lives of these people to you will be nothing more then cockroaches.

Now aren’t you just a wonderful example of humanity. Tell me did you learn this trait or was it taught to you in some lower depths of the earth?

Omair

Sidhusaaheb said...

Being an observer from outside, based in India, to be precise, there is a lot, obviously, that I do not know about Pakistan and its politics.

The referendum that 'elected' the General for the next five years and the deal that the PPP chief has worked out with him, besides Nawaz Sharif being forcibly kept out of the country are certainly not good signs for the future of democracy in the country.

However, there are several positive developments that I have noted in the recent past. These include the presence and continuous growth of an electronic media, large sections of which report freely and fairly, besides educated sections of society like lawyers and journalists standing up for democracy. The role of the judiciary, despite the constraints within which it has to operate, is also commendable.

I wish the very best of everything for Pakistan and its people!

:)

the olive ream said...

Your opinions seem to mirror mine Sabahat. Rather enjoyed reading my own thoughts in your words ... :) Although, I have to admit, your words are far more eloquent and logical. Mine are filled with profanity when it comes to commenting on this issue.

Did you hear about Musharaf thanking the MQM for their unhindered support?...

Omair said...

Sidhu Sahab,

Attacks, disaperance, and assault on journalist have been the highest reported during Mr. Mush's reign.

Freeing of the meida seems to be the ONLY good thing Mush has done, but something he regrets now.

Omair

mystic-soul said...

woh intzar tha jiska ye woh sahar to nahi

Per faraz

Us ne
mere sagar main
mai undeli
to kaha,
mat Socho !!

Need 'neero ki baansri'?

unaiza nasim said...

IMRAN KHAN- I heard people voting for him, infact I did vote for him last time, but trust me its just for a change.
We lack leaders and the current so called leaders I see are the same soul with different costumes....

Mushhy, is the "andhon mein kana raja" and he is teh choice among the rotten apples.

unaiza nasim said...

IMRAN KHAN- I heard people voting for him, infact I did vote for him last time, but trust me its just for a change.
We lack leaders and the current so called leaders I see are the same soul with different costumes....

Mushhy, is the "andhon mein kana raja" and he is teh choice among the rotten apples.

www.soniahkamal.com said...

The future of democracy: musharraf, music and modeling. We've come such a long way, baby, where else do you need to go?

Omair said...

Soniah,

I don’t think any one here will argue with you that Musharraf is bad for Pakistan, well maybe xileh but then again he calls Pakistanis who don’t agree with his ideology cockroaches which alone speaks volumes about him.

The argument here is that they would prefer (and vote for or refrain from voting at all) the bad “secular” leader (Musharraf) over any other leader because of their religious inclinations.

Now the whole “how could Americans vote for Bush for a second term!” hits closer to home.

sabizak said...

@Omair

You said
'Wasn’t this religious revitalization that gave Pakistan the cancer hospital and university in one of the poorest districts of Pakistan?'

As far as I know it was Imran Khan's mother's death and the impact that had on him that resulted in the cancer hospital. And pardon my ignorance but what University are we talking about over here?
Our biggest philanthropist Abdul Sattar Edhi does not have a religious motivation when it comes to helping people, it is what is within his heart. Recently its been found out that perhaps even for Mother Teresa religion was not the driving force behind her love and immense work for humanity. In short you don't necessarily need religion (and the selfish motivation of a Heaven) to be moral or to care for others.


'Second I do not understand how Secularism will help Pakistan. Is it the lets blame the Mullah for all the ills of the country mentality; even though people who have caused more harm to Pakistan do not even come close to religion (BB, Nawaz, Musharraf, etc.). How exactly is secularism going to save Pakistan? How is it going to end poverty, the spiraling Inflation, the rampant corruption, and the lawlessness?


First of all, it seems you have failed to read my post closely, I already dismissed the PPP on the basis of their financial corruption and admitted the fact that a similarity in ideology does not warrant support if those people lack other basic prerequisites. In the same vein only honesty (which obviously is the biggest point in Imran's favour) can also not be the SOLE reason for my voting for someone. Perhaps the Saudi Sheikhs are also 'honest' in their own ways, making roads and buildings and punishing people severely for the smallest misdeeds but that does not mean I want to live in that country whether it may be 'khushaal' in the general sense of the word, that fact is outweighed by the other circumstances of the situation.
What secularism CAN do is develop a healthy atmosphere of debate in the country where people are not afraid for their lives because they have certain beliefs and ideologies that are opposed to the majority's. What it CAN do is to give the moral license required to unequivocally condemn scenarios like Laal Masjid and girls schools being shut down in NWFP and statues being blown up, I admit that those things exist up north as a part of their 'culture' and not necessarily religion but what gives them cover and ties the Govt's hands down is the basis of the country (i.e religion) as most people would have us believe.

Imran Khan's mentality is no different from Musharraf's real mentality (as displayed by his rape comment), Imran also said exactly a similar thing in the case of the Mike Tyson rape case where he declared that had it been Pakistan instead of Tyson the woman who got raped would have been punished for having gone into his room. Should I vote for this kind of 'security' that I shall be provided under Imran Khan's reign.

Omair said...

Sabizak, I did read your post correctly and IF I thought that you supported a corrupt BB then I wouldn’t be having this debate / conversation with you. I have no intention, nor is there any point in conversing with people who support BB, NS, and AH, they obviously lack the capacity for reason, logic, reading, and listening.

I wouldn’t vote for Imran on just a personal trait albeit an important / essential one. What I would be / am looking for is a person who will implement an “institution” that would provides long lasting solutions to the problems facing Pakistan. The issues facing Pakistan will not be resolved by JUST electing an honest person or by declaring Pakistan a secular country (where we can debate and condemn).

I am looking for practical answers to our very practical every day local and global problems. I see a possibility of tackling the problems of Poverty, Crime / Security, Corruption, Education, National Debt, Image of Pakistan, Infrastructure (Roads, Water, Electricity), Problems in Waziristan etc. by the policies that will be implemented by Imran and his party. That is the reason I will vote for him.

As for the comment by Imran Khan I haven’t heard it maybe you can point me in the right direction. Although if you learn from what happened in Afghanistan, passing laws really do not make a difference if there is no institution that will enforce it. The situation for women is worse then it was during the time when Taliban were in power. Yet all the laws are “right”.

Regarding your security, Sabizak, I think every one in Pakistan is worried about their security. Right now the government can nab you, package you and deliver you dead or alive to the country currently funding them. Right now they are waging war with our own people, killing our own women and children on our soil.

Have a nice weekend and Eid Mubarak.

Zakintosh said...
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Zakintosh said...

Imran Khan set up no University ... and the Hospital was certainly not motivated by his born_again-ness. The one time he did become delusional about his ability to tackle the education system, he was inspired by his religious sentiments, though. But that scheme fizzled quickly, fortunately, for it was very flawed in its approach.

There is not the slightest logical reason to suppose that - even if/when elected - Imran and his 3-4 mates in power will be effective in altering anything that the other hundreds sitting in the Assembly are not ikely to support. That his party isn't likely to bag more seats was stated during a discussion at T2F by a senior member of his party, who said: "... if we have a free and fair election we can get 12-14 seats, but there is no likelihood of an election like that. However 3-4 are sure."

Omair said...

@Zak,

Regarding Uni:

Please see link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namal_College

From the link:

Namal College under Bradford University Mr Imran Khan the MNA of Mianwali District has ordered the construction of Namal college Mianwali which situated on Talagung Mianwali Road very near to Namal Lake. The 40 Cannal land for this College was provided by Mr Ghulam Muhammad 'Seelu' resident of here. Seelu is a sub cost of AWAN.

Regarding Motivation for Hospital

Please See Interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dL9XRv2H2E

However if you are looking for the following words “I am motivated by my religion to make the cancer hospital” then I wouldn’t bother with the interview.

Leaving Imran aside there are a lot of religiously motivated work that does go on in Pakistan benefiting the people Pakistan.

There is no point in speculation about how effective or ineffective imran will be. Nor is my motivation in voting for a leader dependent on whether he will win or how many seats in assembly he will get. Please see my previous post for what I am looking for in a politician.

Neena said...

I don't doubt Imran's sudden philanthropy spirit but I don’t trust anyone who aligns with Accidental Opportunists Mullhas. They did more harm to this country than anyone else combined. Further more Imran do not have any vote bank outside Lahore or Mianwali.

BTW big business men all over the world do charity work to get some relaxation in Tax, who knows that’s why Imran doing it but still it counts.

Omair,

The college you are talking about does exists but opening has delayed from September 2006.

http://www.mianwalionline.com/

Omair said...

Neena,

I often ask the question what exactly did the Mullahs do. Every one says they are bad and have done far worse for Paksitan then BB, NS, the army and all the politician combined. Yet no one can exactly pin point what they did that is so bad.

Its almost an irrational fear of religion and religious symbols hmmmm…

A vote bank is comprised of people who wish to vote for a person. Its not really a bank per say where you make a deposit or withdrawal. If you and people like you vote for him then his “Vote Bank” will not just be in mianwali but will be all over Pakistan :).

Tax cuts? This is Pakistan, we tax the poor not the rich we tax food but not luxury items such as cars and tvs. There are no need for tax cuts you just pay off the collector or make a dontation to Mush / BB/ NS you wont need to pay tax.

Omair

sabizak said...

However if you are looking for the following words “I am motivated by my religion to make the cancer hospital” then I wouldn’t bother with the interview.

What difference does that make? Like I said to you there are many who have done great philanthropic deeds and are NOT motivated by any religion. What secularism does is it allows anyone for WHATEVER purpose to do good deeds, what an Islamic nation state concept does is it wants everyone to come under one umbrella of religion and those who fail to do so either face consequences from the law or become social outcasts.

The Mullah has never done 'much' harm to Pakistan because he has never been voted into power by the people of Pakistan. Only a handful in the country want to turn it into another Afghanistan, Iran or Saudi.

What the mullah has done (and i have ben direct witness and victim to) is beat up boys and harass girls in institutions like the Punjab University and unleash their reign of terror under the cover of religion where every boy unless he doesn't bow down to the Jamiat faces consequences that would not allow him to remain in the institution for too long, so most of them join them in order to stay safe.

There are other things too if you want to go further into this argument.

Neena said...

Omair,

Zia the biggest Mullah ruined the country and yes civilian Mullahs are always in the opposition but they are big role players in every government. There are people of numerous faiths live in Pakistan and they all deserve equal rights as promised by Jinnah.

You want people who call others faction Non Muslim or Kafir and KILL for it want to run a country which is created by Kafir e Azam (Jinnah's nick given by JI).

Here are few examples what Mullahs done to this country.

1. They opposed the creation of Pakistan.
2. They opposed the elected PM Bhutto.
3. They force to impose their ideology by declaring Ahmadis non Muslims by blackmailing the then PM Bhutto with total disregard of weak position Pakistani Army and government in.
4. They play an active role in introducing Hudood Ordinance.
5. They killed someone in front of my eyes in Karachi University for not fasting and I know it’s a routine all over Pakistan.
6. They are big fan of Saudi ideology who are champions of suppressing human rights and especially women rights.
7. All in all they want all of us to live in medieval times while they themselves benefit from industrial revolution. They use modern weapons, travel in planes, use media to spread their venom BUT they want to ban TV, Music and modern education to our kids (especially girls).

If they can do this much harm outside the government one can fathom what they can do once they control the country.

PS. I’m at work but if you want I can come up with more points.

MAQ said...

First, I'm a fan of ZA Bhutto and would like the link to the "fairly long clip" which Sabizak had seen, and all documentaries, interview recordings of him. I've heard Zia had ordered that all signs of ZA be gotten rid of including archives, audio & video clips at the PTV & other broadcasters.
*ZA was the blessing & the best thing that ever happened to Pakistan & Zia the curse & worst thing for Islam
*Musharaf may not be perfect, but given Paki mindset and almost sickeningly short Paki public memory of all ills Bibi, Baldy, Qazi & other lot stand for, and untill some good substitute is found, the former should stay. Imran as PM, while Musharaf as a powerful Prez isn't a bad idea given his unique capability of filling state coffers with foreign aid & America at bay.
*True Musharaf had committed errors, but name one leader in the world who hasn't; weigh pros & cons - the PROS weigh far more.
*Alternatives : Baldy = Lotacracy; Bibi = 10% Paki GNP stashed away at a secret Swiss bank; Secessionists like Altaf = Gangster Rule
*One of the greatest ills in Pakis is lack of innovation & initiative & but it's not the case when it's vices. True Mai's was a genuine case, but not the millions of other Mai WANNABE's
*If not all, then at least every single national political party uses it's political agenda as a tool of deception
*Born & bred overseas, I may not be well versed in Paki politics, but I follow news flashes time to time. Major fault lays with the Paki voter who has a too primitive mindset & he's way too blind to see truth and who too easily falls prey to political rhetoric rather than stark reality.
*Corruption is so deeply entrenched that it's become an acceptable part of Paki culture to fight which you'd either need to hire angels from heavens, or create acute public awareness via education enmasse at grass root level against paying your way out and short cuts. The only mollahs you'd see SCREAMING against corruption are the POLITICAL mollahs & not those who lead salats at the mosque.
*Till then Musharaf should rule & that too in uniform cos Paki army would poke it's nose again unless if the boss is in uniform.
*CONCLUSIVELY : Musharaf delivered the best in media, FOREX, international reputation as fighter & not SPONSOR of terrorism, exports, GNP, public works, Gwadar (a potential rival to Dubai's entrepot trade which prompted Dubai's involvement in Baluch insurgency), etc... etc.. to name what I've observed.

Omair said...

neena and sabizak,

I would love to continue this debate but sadly my days of commenting are drawing to a close. In the not so distant horizon (the end of this weekend) I see the normal ever day drudgery catching up with this wage salve.

I Went through both of your comments and have yet to come across the great wrong done by Mullah. I did see a wrong done by a dictator (Zia) who implemented some un-Islamic law (hudood). Dictators are dictator, whether they say they are Islamic or Secular. Its all the same they are bad for the country.

Sabizak Islam states very clearly and unambiguously “There is no Compulsion in religion” Where there is compulsion there is no religion. This is foundation of Islam anything that is forced is not Islam.

Besides there is no such thing as Islamic State any way. As long as in a Muslim majority country no laws which go against Islam are implemented (such as the ones that we already have, interest). I do not think anything else is required.

Comparing Pakistan to Afghanistan, Saudi and Iraq, requires no response, you both are intelligent and with a little introspect will see the logical fallacy in such statements. It’s something Benazir would say / is saying.

The most prosperous time in Karachi was when the MMA Nazim Rahatullah was in power. There was so much hope in the city and was even beneficial for Musharraf because it was happening under his regime. Girls were not banned from schools, people were not being killed for being Kafir.

Any way, it has been interesting discussion over these past few days. Coming back to who to vote for, honestly I think there is really only one option. Vote for the right person.

Wa Salaam
Omair

Matloob Zaman said...

Whenever Islamic laws rules or values are discussed why do they only lead in a highlighted manner in dealing with the man-woman relationships?
What happens to the mullahs of Pakistan that they forget or ignore discussing no matters of honesty, sincerity & cleanliness. After all Islam offers a complete code of life and deals with every segment of human life.

Mustafa Ellahi said...

@sabizak: For your information the Chaudhrys were quite popular. They began supporting Pervaiz Musharraf, who was very unpopular amongst the people of Pakistan just because of the fact that he was wearing an army uniform. The army is the only uniting force which is keeping Pakistan together and still in one piece. Musharraf has dealt with alot of problems such as foreign pressure to combat terrorism as well as economic torubles which were faced by Pakistan later on during his presidency. If you look back to the time when PML Q took power progress began at once and there were less problems than there are today. And did you know that Pakistan was the worlds best Asian market performer in the year 2002 and this was during the reign of the PML Q. I mean you regard PPP as being so great look at Benazir the only reason she gained political significance was because of her father and she has been charged with several cases of corruption. By the way do you really think she cared about Pakistan she just found the right time to jump into Pakistan and blame the PML Q for everything which was going on and making another one of her emotional speeches. On the other hand she was probably sipping tea in her London mansion and everyone began blaming the PML Q for what was going on in Pakistan I mean what can the government do change has to come from the people themselves. You may find this hard to believe but the fact that the Chaudhrys are rich is not because of corruption but becauase of the fact that they were wealthy businessmen long before they came into politics if you want more evidence on this it would be my pleasure to provide you with that evidence.