Monday, November 05, 2007

How do the moderate types who unshakably support Musharraf even today, despite his 'treatment' of the judiciary and the media, explain the arrest of Human Rights Commission of Pakistan stalwart IA Rehman, activist and lawyer Asma Jehangir and artist and academic Salima Hashmi? How can anyone who believes in the ideals that Musharraf earlier seemed to have purported such as women's rights and media freedom now endorse all this? What depths of shamelessness will this man sink to till something begins to give? How will it begin to give?

P.S Economist Ali Cheema of LUMS, Educationist Samina Rehman of LGS and lawyer Bilal Minto of the law firm Minto and Mirza have also been arrested.

27 comments:

e said...

True...and sad :(

Teresa said...

Shocking, devastating news. Appalling.
Teresa

Anonymous said...

As opposed to supporting someone's ideology we should support honest people.

Sana Mujahid said...

Rushdie said in "Outside The Whale":"Politics is by turns farce and tragedy and sometimes both at once (e.g. Zia's Pakistan)." This is so true for Musharraf's Pakistan!!!! God help us! what are we heading to and what will happen!

Adnan Siddiqi said...

It's good to know you are learning about Musharraf now. I had been saying against him for long time here and there but then liberals like you were crazy about him as if he's shahrukh khan? now you have been seeing actual face of him thus a dictator, it's giving you electric shocks.

Do remember that dictator just follows religion of Dictatorship. he doesn't follow Islam nor follows secularism. he just uses them to fool awams like you. Once a dictator fooled you guys when he chanted slogan of Islam thus every one lost senses that Shariah is coming. Another dictator fooled you guys by presenting himself as "Messiah of Pakistani Women"- and every liberal was so happy after WPB. the result is more women were abused in era of Musharraf.

I posted few pics of PML(N) women who were being misbehaved by Poilce.

A wise man always learns from history

Nazish said...

@Adnan Siddiqui
Your preachy style and the belief that you have all the answers while we awam (obviously you are not a part of awam) is the very stuff that dictators are made of.

Omair said...

@Nazish,

Musharraf is the dictator Adnan is just a guy who commented on the blog. If our awam is like you god help us, you don’t know the difference between dictator and acommenter.

Adnan you have taken the words right out of my mouth. Imran Khan kept saying the same thing "Make the institutions strong follow the law by breaking it you are only weakening the nation".

Now here we stand today arguing about secular and Islamist when all we really need is honest people who establish LAW and ORDER.

Omair

TT said...

Ahem..is there any way we can register out protest here in Dubai?

i have already written to gulfnews but any thing apart from that?

khan said...

Things have changed much - we are gloom in the breaz of moderate weather.Faces of people living around me are pale and despondency is eminent.It is shameful for them to be a pakistani---my friends are writing in the sheer pesimism -------all are worried about pakistan-

so what i can reply except that one man rule is never a one man rule in pakistan --rather a military of cowards army of sychophants are always there to support the destruction of nation-
SABIZAK you are doing good job plz luanch a net campaign to make world aware of our tragedy---- yea we can do this

sabizak said...

@adnan siddiqui: Leaving aside your (as always) brash and unnecessarily personal and rude tone that has put decent people off All Things Pakistan I would just like to ask you can you go back on this blog and point out even one post to me that is emphatically pro-Musharraf? A

And thank you Nazish. Exactly. Adanan is saying 'you' as if he is from Mars or at the very least the national of some other country.

@Omair: I will not get into further argument with you as we have already discussed at length what damage pushing one's religious beliefs onto others can do. You failed to come up with any argument when I and another commentator answered your question as to what harm 'mullahs' or the 'mullah mentality' has done to Pakistan. You can go back to that post and continue this discussion there if you so wish.
I repeat though (as obvious as that conclusion is) that the maintenance of law and order and the strengthening of institutions is absolutely imperative but I would like that to be brought about by a man (or men and women) who will believe in the following fundamentals

1) A firm belief in not discriminating amongst people because of their religion (whatever it may be) or lack of it.

2) A commitment to equality of all citizens in every possible way whether they be men or women

3) Freedom of speech in the true sense of the word

(I am sure there are other things but i am writing offhand right now)

and as far as I can see Imran Khan is not the man for it and I will again repeat I see no-one on the Pakistani political horizon who fits that bill. I must say I do feel rather partial towards Aitzaz Ahsan these days, though.

@TT: The problem with this country (UAE) is that they do not want their people to think, it gives their monarchs spasms even contemplating such a possibility so they have coined some nice euphemisms for not allowing any sort of political activity. Considering a protest here is just asking for deportation tomorrow (on second thoughts that doesn't sound like a bad idea, if only they'd deport me to some Scandinavian country).

@khan: thanks

Omair said...

@Sabizak

You wrote: "I will not get into further argument with you as we have already discussed at length what damage pushing one's religious beliefs onto others can do."

If you change "religious beliefs" to just beliefs I am in agreement with the above statement.

In regards to your Mullah comment I did reply, the great wrong of the Mullah's turned out to be nothing more then difference of opinion and the rambling of another dictator zia. All in all nothing that held weight.

As for the rest of your comments am I to conclude that you would rather stay in a ditch then be rescued from a person with whom you have a difference of opinion? Rather discriminating and intolerant wouldn’t you say?

Omair

Zakintosh said...

i am amazed at how adnan and omair have taken to commenting on 'personal' levels. expounding their beliefs in comments is certainly a welcome idea but to show unnecessary arrogance or a childish "i told you so" attitude doesn't become grown ups - which, i assume they are.

keep the posts coming, sabizak. you've at least got people activated.

longblackveil said...

Wow. Omairs and Adnans find their unpleasant ways on to ALL blogs.
Nice read, SabZak. I asked Kinkminos the same question. What does one do that can help in these situations? In the UAE especially, and the Mid-East as a whole, it's gag and bear it.
[NONSEQUITIR: And who is that gorgeous creature in the bottom right pic? He's adorable, mashaAllah!]

Omair said...

@Zak

Arrogance seems to be your forte. I suggest you reread my comments.

@longblackveil

What exactly did you find unpleasant?

Omair

Anonymous said...

@Omair
Are you the same journalist who signs o.r.q. in some posts? Your tone and attitude sound very similar, so am just curious.

Anonymous said...

http://www.christinalamb.net/pages/waextracts.html
I encourage everyone to read this book: Waiting for Allah/Christina Lamb.
If not at least read the extract at above link. As you read literally the picture of our homeland streams right in front of your eyes. It appears that it is humiliating but as a regarding citizen of Pakistan I was not offended.
Happy reading.

Sidhusaaheb said...

I can relate with the disillusionment with all politicians. I am yet to come across one, here in India, whom I would want to vote for, without any reservations.

Neena said...

It saddens me more to see we never learn a lesson from history and its repeating the similar thing happened in East Pakistan in 1970 and then after Zia’s Martial law. Army and politics is bad combination. It destroys not only civilian institutes such as bureaucracy but also endangers border security as we are witnessing. Yup, Aitzaz Ahsan really looks promising; I’m seeing some important role for him in the next elected government. Maybe a premiership :D.

Adnan Siddiqi said...

Sabahat Zakriya,

You are not *new* to me. Do remember the ATP you referred is not a new website for me and have read comments of your on different posts about religion and musharraf's point of view about women.

Don't tell me what kinda "decency" exist on ATP. We ain't discussing them.

'you' doesn't mean addressing you individually. I was addressing to liberals(including you) in last post.

If you say you were not liberal and never supported Musahrraf's so called Women Protection bill and his stand about Women then I take my words back but then you would have to say on yuor blog that you are against Musharraf's so called WPB.

sabizak said...

LOL!! adnan siddiqi

deranged_lunatic said...

All I can say is that there were quite a few pro-Musharraf people around me over the last few months but considering what's been going on during the last 10 days or so, even they've been forced to change their opinions. It's a sad time for the country, no doubt, but some of the small positives that are coming out include, in my opinion, a reawakening (sp?) of political awareness in the masses and that, this time, includes the students of Pakistan in particular. I don't know how up-to-date you are with the protests etc going on here literally every day, but there's been a lot of hype created and rightly so. In fact, pakistanmartiallaw.blogspot.com is the most updated place regarding what the students are up to every day, in case you're interested :)

Anonymous said...

Are we ever going to get rid of these old faces on the cover of Pak Politics and have some new blood emerge and take control of their nation.
As long as remain dependent on these loser career politicians who offer nothing more than their habits of robbing the nation of it's wealth and freedom and selling the dignity of Pakistan to foreign nations for a few bucks we will continue to undergo this scenario over and again.
Those who care about their nation it is the time for them to deliver the retirement notification to these politicians and take charge of the lovely nation of Pakistan in a manner never to be derailed again.

Anonymous said...

We the Pakistanis are always there to complain and criticize but I have never come across an independent citizen without affiliation to govt. who ever made a single comment praising the good work one may have done.
If one is so aware of the facts then they should also make an effort to account for one's positive efforts and accomplishments otherwise it is not justice on the part of such a critique who only looks for the bad, it is rather a sadist characteristic to keep looking for and pointing out what is wrong with someone.

Maliha said...

wow sabz, you got a decent load of people thinking and activated enough to comment yet again! proud of you! and besides i dont ever remmeber you being pro Musharraf. so great going on another 'tehalka' blog post!

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Anonymous said...

How can you write this? There must be some particular reason that musharraf had to put them under arrest otherwise why would he? I mean look at Asif Ali Zardari compared to Musharraf obviously the better president was Musharraf and during his times there were not alot of problems than there are know. The army is the only united force thats stopping this nation from crumbling!!!

sabizak said...

I like the manner of your brainwashing, kid.